Posts by zen nudist

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

zen nudist

As to Michael being Jesus.

names in the bible seem to have a functional quality at times

as Jesus means domino's delivers or er, YHWH saves... it is a name which shows his function.

Immanuel means God is with us [for a change]

and Micha-el mean who is like El? or God.

to me it seems clear that no bible writer thought that Jesus and michael were the same guy

But there are some striking parallels such as Daniel's description of Prince Michael standing up [often used for taking kingship] and Jesus nearly quoting this word for word as referring to himself.

and Jesus never being mentioned with michael sort of like superman and clark kent, while attributes are often seemingly interchangeable

like Jesus coming with the call of the archangel.

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

zen nudist

my youngest brother who has never been a JW nor interested in bible matters until recently came up with a different

take on john 1:1, which I found was not as unique as I had first thought....

Word or Logos can be corrolated with the plan or promises of God...by many verses

and thus John 1:1 would be saying

in the beginning was the divine plan

the plan was the manifestation of the mind of God

by means of this plan all things were created.

The divine plan was made flesh in Jesus as he came to manifest the mind and will of God to mankind...to fullfill the plan

and to make good on all the promises

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

zen nudist

The only reason the "anointed" become sons is by adoption. He isn't the "firstborn among many brothers" (Rom.8:29) in the midst of the angels.

as I said, the other humans became divine by adoption, I agree, but they are no less divine then the elohim now, infact they are said to be superior to them...so numerically once again, there is no justification of saying the elohim are limited to three and its obvious this number is growing if the bible it to be believed.

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Barf alert.......

by nicolaou in

relax, just listen to the tone of my voice.

accept what i say and when i click my fingers do just as i command .

*** w67 6/1 p. 338 move ahead with jehovahs organization ***.

zen nudist

the hypnotist in vegas did the same thing

you look down the beach, you see the finest women you have ever seen... you really want her....

oh, my bad, its really a dude....

you could see the hypontized guy become visibly repulsed... like he really was seeing...

and the light gets brighter till the dawning of day-- what seems like a hill now looks like a house

which is why we must adjust our doctrine from time to time as we get closer to the end....

oh my bad, we were looking at a pile of manure....

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Last Generation Of Jehovah's witnesses?

by Dune in

jw
friends

here's an interesting idea my brother and i have been discussing when we do parking lot duty during the service meetings.

we've come to the conclusion that this is essentially the last generation of jehovah's witnesses.

i thought you'd have to be young to notice this, but its pretty apparent anywhere we go.

zen nudist

I doubt this will be the last gen for JWs or christianity in general, but the web is giving out information that will help many to understand the myths legends and lies all religion are based upon

www.jesusneverexisted.com

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

zen nudist

Zen nudist: You are basing that conclusion on JW-doctrine, that Jesus is/was Michael the archangel, sent to earth on a mission. As far as I know, only JWs are the only religious group that believes this. The rest of christianity, whether they believe in the trinity or not, don`t see Jesus as "only" an angel sent to earth. And the number three is not what the trinity is all about. The trinity is a belief that God is almighty, and logics/physical laws don`t apply to him. If God choose to be in several places at once (all over the place, like the holy ghost) or in heaven (as the Father) or on earth in human form, that`s up to him/it. And for God (who is omnipotent/almighty) this is not selfcontradictory. Whether the bible supports this view, that`s another question. But some believe that it does.

this has nothing to do with JW stupidity, I have not been borg nor even christian for 15 years, I am just lookin at the bible as I would any other myth. the bible clearly says that there were many elohim who were also called beni-elohim and it gives every indication that Jesus was one of them who gave up his elohim nature and became a mortal man. there is nothing I have ever seen in the bible to suggest that God was numerically 3 people which IS what trinity means. it has NOTHING to do with what you said at all.

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

zen nudist

the question is whether or not the concept of the trinity is biblical or not...

if we mean by that does the bible ever teach that there are three persons in one god, the obvious answer

is no. the bible teaches right from the beginning that the family of God or the elohim is comprized of many Sons of God who are all

elohim or super beings which number in the millions all of these are said to be the children of one entity called the god of the elohim or the god of gods who's name is given as YHWH.

following the bible story one of the elohim was designated to voluntarily give up the form of dvinity to adopt the form of a slave [human]

no where in the bible is the elohim ever limited to three.

and manifestly those who are to be given divine regent status along with christ will be even higher in rank than the beni-elohim and godlike beings in their own right.. so

seems to me that the whole trinity invention came abotu to serve political ends and has ntohing to do with the bible.

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THIS is a DANGEROUS PLACE

by peggy in

because you all inform with logic.

i have been reading for several months now.

not even sure how i found this site.

zen nudist

in Vegas, I saw a stage hypnotist and the techniques are very similar

listen to my voice and focus on only what I say ---

only smart [read faithful] people can be hypnotized [find salvation] (if you dont get it, its your own fault)

--- people cannot be hypnotized with out their own consent, nor can anyone follow any BS [belief system] without findnig some reason to beleive in it for their own purposes....

with a distrust of the motives of the hypnotist, one wakes up from the trance.

The Theological Implants used by the B.ORG are not invulnerable, logic bombs have sometimes proven effective.

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Trinity- True or False

by defd in

i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.

what are your thoughts?

is jesus almighty god?

zen nudist

(the linguistic meaning of the name of god - although Yhwh of course means something more in addition to "I am", as it is, of course, Gods name ) and the greek expression "ego eimi" means the same thing (as close as you can possibly get two expressions from two different languages, of course, the same frase in two different languages will never mean exactly the same thing)

this is the root of the problem , Ego Ami does not mean the same as YHWH, and the translators of the septuigent did not translate it as such, they translated it as HO ON.... THE ETERNAL... saying I am THE ETERNAL[one]

not just I am which has no divine or undivne aspect whatso ever

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see, this explains everything - why men "never listen" to women :)

by zagor in

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1431915.htm

men do have trouble hearing women: research

men who are accused of never listening by women now have an excuse - women's voices are more difficult for men to listen to than other men's.

zen nudist

let us not forget that men also do not pay attention to female facial expressions [as we never look there] and are often distracted [same reason]